From gstrong@nsf.gov Sat Jul 4 11:08:27 1998 Received: by beta.nsf.gov; id LAA26599; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.nsf.gov(128.150.11.2) by beta.nsf.gov via smap (3.2) id xma026587; Sat, 4 Jul 98 11:15:00 -0400 Received: from [128.150.198.212] (annex2-port02.nsf.gov [128.150.198.212]) by mailman.nsf.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA14636 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:14:34 -0400 X-Sender: gstrong@popsrvr.nsf.gov (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9807011928.AA20679@turing.acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:25:56 -0400 To: Gary PERLMAN From: Gary Strong Subject: Re: disabilities links Status: RO Gary: I have forwarded your request to Ephraim Glinert who will be taking over our Universal Access initiative starting in September, possibly before. I will try to take a look at what you have as well, if I can get some time... - Gary >Hi Gary, > >I am working on an accessible version of one of our online systems, >started to collect links, and have been adding them to the >HCI bibliogrphy's new list of internet resources (now 675). >The intercultural page (with 84 links in 12 categories) I set up > has had 548 hits since May 18. > >Now I have a bunch of (39) links on HCI and disabilities in: > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/disabilities/ >I got no interest in the list f links from the SIGCAPH chair >or infodir, so I am shopping around for suggestions about >what to do with the page. > >Options: > Kill the page > Change the Page > Release the Page as is > Hand the Page over to ___________ (suggestions) > >Any ideas? > >Note: I added the W3C grant news as a link, and I added a couple >of NSF links under sigchi/hci-sites/LABORATORIES.html (for lack >of a better category). > >Gary ____________________________________________ Gary W. Strong, Director, Human Computer Interaction Program Deputy Division Director, Information and Intelligent Systems NSF Coordinator for Computing, Information & Communication R&D National Science Foundation, 4201 Wilson Blvd., Suite 1115 Arlington, VA 22230 USA; tel: 703-306-1928 email: gstrong@nsf.gov; fax: 703-306-0599 (or -0799) URL: http://www.cise.nsf.gov/iis/HCIhome.html ____________________________________________ From glinert@cs.rpi.edu Mon Jul 6 13:18:24 1998 Received: from ephraim.cs.rpi.edu (glinert@ephraim.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.39]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12882; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ephraim P. Glinert" Received: (from glinert@localhost) by ephraim.cs.rpi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00548; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807061725.NAA00548@ephraim.cs.rpi.edu> Subject: Re: special needs links To: perlman@turing.acm.org (Gary PERLMAN) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: glinert@cs.rpi.edu (Ephraim P. Glinert) In-Reply-To: <9806111638.AA05540@turing.acm.org> from "Gary PERLMAN" at Jun 11, 98 12:38:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO > We are getting into designing for sight impaired users > and I've been gathering links around the web. > http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > Since you were the sigchi adjuct chair for special needs, > I thought I would approach you with the idea of adding > an accessibility special interest area to the SIGCHI sites. > It could be anything, maybe just a link repository. > Then there are possibilities for a discussion list, etc. > > Maybe it could be coordinated with SIGCAPH. > > Just a thought. > > Gary Gary: My apologies for not getting back to you sooner about this. It's been an extremely hectic month for me, culminating in my daughter's Bat Mitzvah and my son going off to Israel for the summer. Then, the good folks here at RPI decided to do a campus-wide upgrade to our computing equipment, so the mail stopped working completely; indeed, it's still barely limping along! Anyway, I'm going to take a look at the web page you've created, with a view to getting it included as part of the SIGCAPH pages. I'll get back to you about this within a day or two, as soon as I can talk to Bowden Wise, my web liaison for ACM, who is the only one with the permissions needed to add stuff to the ACM server. Thanks again for your patience. -Ephraim From perlman Mon Jul 6 14:15:37 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA06149; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:15:29 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9807061815.AA06149@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: glinert@cs.rpi.edu (Ephraim P. Glinert) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu, perlman In-Reply-To: <199807061725.NAA00548@ephraim.cs.rpi.edu> from "Ephraim P. Glinert" at Jul 6, 98 01:25:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2024 Status: O > > We are getting into designing for sight impaired users > > and I've been gathering links around the web. > > http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > > Since you were the sigchi adjuct chair for special needs, > > I thought I would approach you with the idea of adding > > an accessibility special interest area to the SIGCHI sites. > > It could be anything, maybe just a link repository. > > Then there are possibilities for a discussion list, etc. > > > > Maybe it could be coordinated with SIGCAPH. > > > > Just a thought. > > > > Gary > > > Gary: My apologies for not getting back to you sooner about this. It's > been an extremely hectic month for me, culminating in my daughter's Bat > Mitzvah and my son going off to Israel for the summer. Then, the good > folks here at RPI decided to do a campus-wide upgrade to our computing > equipment, so the mail stopped working completely; indeed, it's still > barely limping along! > > Anyway, I'm going to take a look at the web page you've created, with a > view to getting it included as part of the SIGCAPH pages. I'll get back > to you about this within a day or two, as soon as I can talk to Bowden > Wise, my web liaison for ACM, who is the only one with the permissions > needed to add stuff to the ACM server. Thanks again for your patience. > -Ephraim Okay. The above URL is no longer ideal because I created some categories. You can do this search: http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities%3a%3bhttp and they are visible on an un-announced unofficial SIGCHI page: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/disabilities/ There is no obvious person in SIGCHI to "own" this page, and I think it belongs in SIGCAPH. The page is just a container for some unadorned HTML generated from the HCI Bibliography entries, so it would be easy to adapt to SIGCAPH use, SIGCHI use, or both. See: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html which is in: /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html on turing.acm.org. Gary From wiseb@cs.rpi.edu Sun Jul 12 23:45:52 1998 Received: from cs.rpi.edu (ro.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.34]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04079; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807130352.XAA04079@cs.rpi.edu> To: Gary PERLMAN Cc: glinert@cs.rpi.edu (Ephraim P. Glinert) Subject: Re: special needs links In-Reply-To: Gary PERLMAN's message of "Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:15:28 EDT." <9807061815.AA06149@turing.acm.org> X-Mailer: MH 6.8 #19 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:10 -0400 From: Bowden Wise Status: RO Gary I think those links would be a nice addition to the SIGCAPH pages. Putting up a set of links for disability resoruces, papers, mailing lists, etc has been one of my goals since I became the Information Directory for SIGCAPH. Your list is a nice start! I suppose the HCI Bibliography will continue to index disability related entries when those entries contain such kewyords as 'disability', 'blind', etc ... I will copy that page you started and place it in the SIGCAPH directory and create a link to it. The other thing I will probably do is implement a "Suggest a Link" form so that readers may inform me of other links. I'll check into how SIGCHI did this for their pages. Again, thanks for informing us of those links. Bowden -------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Bowden Wise Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ From wiseb@cs.rpi.edu Sun Jul 12 23:49:35 1998 Received: from cs.rpi.edu (ro.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.34]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04104 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807130356.XAA04104@cs.rpi.edu> To: Gary PERLMAN Subject: Re: special needs links In-Reply-To: Gary PERLMAN's message of "Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:15:28 EDT." <9807061815.AA06149@turing.acm.org> X-Mailer: MH 6.7.1 (exmh 1.5.1) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:56:54 -0400 From: Bowden Wise Status: RO Gary: > See: > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html > which is in: > /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html > on turing.acm.org. is that page completely generated somehow? Or did you just pull out the entries from the HCIBIB and then massage it into that structure? I am thinking on how I should set up the the link pages for SIGCAPH. if that page is fairly automated I may need a mechanism to keep links up that are not in the HCIBIB. Bowden -------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Bowden Wise Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ From perlman Mon Jul 13 00:26:42 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA13881; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:26:41 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9807130426.AA13881@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman In-Reply-To: <199807130352.XAA04079@cs.rpi.edu> from "Bowden Wise" at Jul 12, 98 11:53:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3114 Status: O All roads lead to Rome. I generate the SIGCHI pages from the HCIBIB entries. The suggest-a-link form goes to director@hcibib.org, also me. > Gary > > I think those links would be a nice addition to the SIGCAPH > pages. Putting up a set of links for disability resoruces, papers, > mailing lists, etc has been one of my goals since I became the > Information Directory for SIGCAPH. > > Your list is a nice start! I suppose the HCI Bibliography will > continue to index disability related entries when those entries > contain such kewyords as 'disability', 'blind', etc ... The links came about from a day's worth of scouring the web. I decide what goes in the HCIBIB, and I decided to make a special needs list, and then started to look for a home for them. One option is in www.acm.org/sigchi/disabilities/ but another is to place them under sigcaph/links/ > I will copy that page you started and place it in the SIGCAPH > directory and create a link to it. The other thing I will > probably do is implement a "Suggest a Link" form so that readers > may inform me of other links. I'll check into how SIGCHI > did this for their pages. I'm the one to ask. There is a makefile in each relevant directory. It calls /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/bin/makeinter, which formats the entries from the HCIBIB. Right now, there is only one format, but I expect that different pages will have different formats. > > See: > > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html > > which is in: > > /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html > > on turing.acm.org. > > > is that page completely generated somehow? Or did you just > pull out the entries from the HCIBIB and then massage it > into that structure? It is completrely generated from the HCIBIB entries. > I am thinking on how I should set up the the link pages for > SIGCAPH. if that page is fairly automated I may need > a mechanism to keep links up that are not in the > HCIBIB. I am finding it hard to imagine a link that SIGCAPH would want on a link page that would not be appropriate for the HCIBIB. Therefore, I think it would make sense to make the HCIBIB the source of the links, and make sure that all the links you want are in the HCIBIB. I would like to suggest the following: Since there is no current special interest area in SIGCHI for special needs (if there were, it would be in competition with SIGCAPH, which seems undesirable), the SIGCHI site could refer any link seekers to SIGCAPH. SIGCAPH could show something based on the page I created, which has a server-side include of the generated links. I would maintain write permission on the generated included file so I could update the links. Links would be added to the HCIBIB by the current Suggest-a-Link scheme (you could add links that way), as could others. I would be happy to let SIGCAPH define the categories. An added benefit to SIGCAPH is that the links in the HCIBIB are validated by the system I am setting up. I think the links will be checked every 2-4 weeks. Well, that took longer than I expected, but I hope you find it enticing. Gary From wiseb@cs.rpi.edu Mon Jul 13 00:42:32 1998 Received: from cs.rpi.edu (ro.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.34]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04365 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807130449.AAA04365@cs.rpi.edu> To: Gary PERLMAN Subject: Re: special needs links In-Reply-To: Gary PERLMAN's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:26:41 EDT." <9807130426.AA13881@turing.acm.org> X-Mailer: MH 6.7.1 (exmh 1.5.1) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:49:50 -0400 From: Bowden Wise Status: RO Gary After I sent off that e-mail I took a look at the HTML source, it became clear that those pages were generated. > is to place them under sigcaph/links/ I was thinking of something like sigcaph/resources/links/ Since i might later add other 'resources' > I'm the one to ask. There is a makefile in each relevant directory. > It calls /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/bin/makeinter, which formats > the entries from the HCIBIB. Right now, there is only one format, > but I expect that different pages will have different formats. Ahhs, I see now, very nice! > I am finding it hard to imagine a link that SIGCAPH > would want on a link page that would not be appropriate > for the HCIBIB. Therefore, I think it would make > sense to make the HCIBIB the source of the links, > and make sure that all the links you want are in the HCIBIB. Yes, I agree for links. I was thinkign that there might be other 'resources' that might not have a Web resources and therefore no link. I am not sure what those are right now. Perhaps we add anotehr category when the time comes and then they end up in the HCIBIB (!) > I would like to suggest the following: > > Since there is no current special interest area > in SIGCHI for special needs (if there were, > it would be in competition with SIGCAPH, > which seems undesirable), the SIGCHI site > could refer any link seekers to SIGCAPH. I like the idea of referring seekers to SIGCAPH. We might attract new members that way. > SIGCAPH could show something based on the page I created, > which has a server-side include of the generated links. > I would maintain write permission on the generated included file > so I could update the links. > I would be happy to let SIGCAPH define the categories. let me get back to you on the categories. Why don't we go ahead and set up what you have now. is it hard to add new categories? I created /usr2/info/sigs/sigcaph/resources/links We could place the files there? > Links would be added to the HCIBIB by the > current Suggest-a-Link scheme (you could add links > that way), as could others. I like that... > An added benefit to SIGCAPH is that the links in the HCIBIB > are validated by the system I am setting up. > I think the links will be checked every 2-4 weeks. yes, that sonuds very good! Bowden -------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Bowden Wise Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ From wiseb@cs.rpi.edu Mon Jul 13 11:45:32 1998 Received: from cs.rpi.edu (ro.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.34]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08319 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131551.LAA08319@cs.rpi.edu> To: Gary PERLMAN Subject: Re: special needs links In-Reply-To: Gary PERLMAN's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:18:36 EDT." <9807131518.AA23837@turing.acm.org> X-Mailer: MH 6.8 #19 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:52:32 -0400 From: Bowden Wise Status: RO > I think people prefer to bookmark short, memorable URLs. I think > it would be fine to have a more general resources category, but I > do not think that is a reason to bury the links page an extra > level. I see some signs of extra complexity in the sigcaph site > already. With hypertext, the directory structure does not need to > model the presentation. sigcaph/resources/index.html could include > sigcaph/links/index.html. If you have any other feedback on the site and ways to reduce complexity I welcome it! :) I have been reading Nielsen's usability tips from his useit.com site but have not put much into practice just yet.... > The categories are done like this: > The keywords field is searched for things like: > disabilities:conferences and finds out all the subcategories under > disabilities. So it's pretty easy to change. > > I do plan to allow arbitrary subcategorization, like: > disabilities:visual:software Is there a Software category already? I can forsee needing a category like 'Assistive Devices', some people do thinkgs like smart wheelchairs, that have hardware as well as a software component. > I don't think there is any reason to use sub-sub-directories, and > some usability reasons to avoid them. okay we can stick with /usr2/info/sigs/sigcaph/links You already said you need write permission to the server side include, what other permissions do you need? Do you need to own the 'links' directory? Which of us maintains the source index that includes the server include? Bowden -------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Bowden Wise Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ From perlman Mon Jul 13 12:18:20 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA02917; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:18:01 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9807131618.AA02917@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman In-Reply-To: <199807131551.LAA08319@cs.rpi.edu> from "Bowden Wise" at Jul 13, 98 11:52:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2105 Status: O > > I think people prefer to bookmark short, memorable URLs. I think > > it would be fine to have a more general resources category, but I > > do not think that is a reason to bury the links page an extra > > level. I see some signs of extra complexity in the sigcaph site > > already. With hypertext, the directory structure does not need to > > model the presentation. sigcaph/resources/index.html could include > > sigcaph/links/index.html. > > If you have any other feedback on the site and ways to > reduce complexity I welcome it! :) I have been reading > Nielsen's usability tips from his useit.com site but have not put much > into practice just yet.... Suggestions in no particular order: Rename all these to index.html so they are the default-loaded file in each directory. sigcaph-index.html sigcaph-keypeople.html sigcaph-reports.html Then, for example, the SIGCAPH people link is just: http://www.acm.org/sigcaph/people/ and not: http://www.acm.org/sigcaph/people/sigcaph-keypeople.html which is longer and harder to remember (especially since it does not use the same name as the containing directory). For common parts of pages, use one file and use server side includes. The SIGCHI site does this extensively and it allows global changes in one file. For example, it takes SIGCHI five minutes to change from CHI98 to CHI99 links. The SIGCHI include directory is: /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/include and a good example is the top menu: /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/include/menu.html which is included with: (the include directory is soft-linked to each directory). Use server-side modification times: Modified: These are also used on the SIGCHI page to show when subpages were modified: () Create RCS subdirectories and keep revisions: ci -l will check in a revision and keep it locked buy you That will let you revert to previous versions, determine changes, if needed. It's also very useful if more than one person is working on a site. From perlman Mon Jul 13 12:27:55 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA23067; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:27:52 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9807131627.AA23067@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman In-Reply-To: <199807131551.LAA08319@cs.rpi.edu> from "Bowden Wise" at Jul 13, 98 11:52:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1613 Status: O > > The categories are done like this: > > > The keywords field is searched for things like: > > disabilities:conferences and finds out all the subcategories under > > disabilities. So it's pretty easy to change. > > > > I do plan to allow arbitrary subcategorization, like: > > disabilities:visual:software > > Is there a Software category already? I only have these: 1.DISCUSSION (2 links) 2.GUIDELINES (5 links) 3.ORGANIZATIONS (7 links) 4.PAPERS (2 links) 5.RESOURCES (24 links) > I can forsee needing a category like 'Assistive Devices', some people > do thinkgs like smart wheelchairs, that have hardware as well as a > software component. Sure. > /usr2/info/sigs/sigcaph/links > > You already said you need write permission to the server side > include, what other permissions do you need? Do you need to > own the 'links' directory? Which of us > maintains the source index that includes the server > include? How about this for a plan: [1] you create sigcaph/links with permission 777 mkdir links; chmod 777 links [2] you create index.html which has an include of index.inc cp /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html links/index.html [3] I create index.inc, which I would like to own so I can regenerate it when the HCIBIB gets new links. [4] you then protect the directory so only sigcaph can write to it chmod 775 links > Bowden > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > G. Bowden Wise > Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 > Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ > From wiseb@cs.rpi.edu Tue Jul 14 12:39:29 1998 Received: from cs.rpi.edu (ro.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.34]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23038 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141645.MAA23038@cs.rpi.edu> To: Gary PERLMAN Subject: Re: special needs links In-Reply-To: Gary PERLMAN's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:27:52 EDT." <9807131627.AA23067@turing.acm.org> X-Mailer: MH 6.8 #19 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:46:50 -0400 From: Bowden Wise Status: RO > Is there a Software category already? > I only have these: > 1.DISCUSSION (2 links) > 2.GUIDELINES (5 links) > 3.ORGANIZATIONS (7 links) > 4.PAPERS (2 links) > 5.RESOURCES (24 links) > I can forsee needing a category like 'Assistive Devices', some > people do thinkgs like smart wheelchairs, that have hardware as > well as a software component. > Sure. So do the categories e.g., if we were to add 'Software' and 'Assistive Devices' have to map to a particluar set of keywords? > [1] you create sigcaph/links with permission 777 > mkdir links; chmod 777 links > [2] you create index.html which has an include of index.inc > cp /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html > links/index.html > [3] I create index.inc, which I would like to own > so I can regenerate it when the HCIBIB gets new links. > [4] you then protect the directory so only sigcaph can write to it > chmod 775 links Ok I did the first 2, if I do 4, how will you be able to update the index.inc file? Bowden -------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Bowden Wise Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ From perlman Tue Jul 14 13:09:18 1998 Subject: Re: special needs links To: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199807141645.MAA23038@cs.rpi.edu> from "Bowden Wise" at Jul 14, 98 12:46:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2750 Status: RO > > Is there a Software category already? > > > I only have these: > > > 1.DISCUSSION (2 links) > > 2.GUIDELINES (5 links) > > 3.ORGANIZATIONS (7 links) > > 4.PAPERS (2 links) > > 5.RESOURCES (24 links) > > > I can forsee needing a category like 'Assistive Devices', some > > people do thinkgs like smart wheelchairs, that have hardware as > > well as a software component. > > > Sure. > > So do the categories e.g., if we were to add 'Software' and > 'Assistive Devices' have to map to a particluar set of keywords? The format is very simple-minded. The HCIBIB file /acminfo/1/hcibib/Work/Info/internet.bib has keywords in the %K section. Some keywords are of the form: disabilities:discussion so for the disabilities links, the page generator finds all entries with disabilities: in them and makes a sorted list of the subtopics that follow. So to make a new subtopic, the HCIBIB simply needs a new term to follow disabilities: in the keywords field. I've seen: special needs universal access disability/disabilities (as in ADA) handicapped (as in SIGCAPH) This would be a good time to choose what term you'd like to use. It's an easy global change to the file, and since the links are not too public yet, the change would have limited impact. My two cents worth: accessibility or SIGCAPHological :-) > > [1] you create sigcaph/links with permission 777 > > mkdir links; chmod 777 links > > [2] you create index.html which has an include of index.inc > > cp /acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/disabilities/sigcaph-links.html > > links/index.html > > [3] I create index.inc, which I would like to own > > so I can regenerate it when the HCIBIB gets new links. > > [4] you then protect the directory so only sigcaph can write to it > > chmod 775 links > > Ok I did the first 2, if I do 4, how will you be able to update > the index.inc file? I created index.inc and makefile, so I can modify those. The permissions on the directory only affect file creation or removal, not whether an existing file can change. So, you can do 4 now. I looked at the page in: http://www.acm.org/sigcaph/links/ and to my dismay, "server-side includes" are not being processed. I think you should send a message to support@acm.org and ask them to get the turned on. I think this is a minor configuration change. The Links page should have a link back to SIGCAPH, and probably does not need the "Links" title, unless you decide to follow it with a page description. Getting there... > Bowden > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > G. Bowden Wise > Computer Science Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy, NY 12180 > Email: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu WWW: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~wiseb/ > From perlman Wed Jul 15 22:54:19 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA28012; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:54:18 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9807160254.AA28012@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: perlman@turing.acm.org (perlman) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: wiseb@cs.rpi.edu In-Reply-To: from "perlman" at Jul 14, 98 01:09:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 475 Status: O > I've seen: > special needs > universal access > disability/disabilities (as in ADA) > handicapped (as in SIGCAPH) > This would be a good time to choose what term you'd like to use. > It's an easy global change to the file, and since the links > are not too public yet, the change would have limited impact. > My two cents worth: > accessibility > or > SIGCAPHological :-) I did not hear from you, but I changed the entries in the HCIBIB to be "accessibility". Gary From perlman Mon Jul 20 16:06:34 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA10218; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:06:34 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9807202006.AA10218@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: perlman@turing.acm.org (Gary PERLMAN) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:06:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9807160254.AA28012@turing.acm.org> from "Gary PERLMAN" at Jul 15, 98 10:54:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 802 Status: O I updated the page with some new meta links (e.g., to the page itself). Note the HCI Bibliography search: http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=assistive,disab,impair,handic,special%20need,accessibility:&summary=checked&highlight=checked gets you 369 entries. Pretty cool, I think. Gary > > I've seen: > > special needs > > universal access > > disability/disabilities (as in ADA) > > handicapped (as in SIGCAPH) > > This would be a good time to choose what term you'd like to use. > > It's an easy global change to the file, and since the links > > are not too public yet, the change would have limited impact. > > My two cents worth: > > accessibility > > or > > SIGCAPHological :-) > > I did not hear from you, but I changed the entries in the HCIBIB > to be "accessibility". > > Gary > From glinert@cs.rpi.edu Thu Sep 10 12:08:23 1998 Received: from ephraim.cs.rpi.edu (glinert@ephraim.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.39]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16758; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ephraim P. Glinert" Received: (from glinert@localhost) by ephraim.cs.rpi.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA19790; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809101616.MAA19790@ephraim.cs.rpi.edu> To: perlman@turing.acm.org Subject: Re: special needs links Cc: glinert@cs.rpi.edu Status: RO Gary: I can surely lend you a copy, but I am in Washington DC at NSF and will only return to RPI on Monday. Alternatively, it is possible that the papers are all listed on the SIGCAPH/conference web site at ACM - have you checked that out? -Ephraim From perlman Thu Sep 10 12:47:14 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA03765; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:47:14 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9809101647.AA03765@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links To: perlman@turing.acm.org (perlman) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:47:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "perlman" at Jul 14, 98 01:09:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 795 Status: O I have a couple of ideas for the SIGCAPH links page: * link back to the SIGCAPH page - seems to be missing * include a page access counter - I see you adapted mine - note that you control the index.html file, not me Your people page needs the same as above. Your reports link on the main page loads the dir, but you have no index.html file, just sigcaph-reports.html, which you should move or link to index.html. Then, the pages needs a link back and a counter. I made a minor change to my count.pl counter, which is to append the weekday instead of a space. That way, it is pretty easy to count today's access, yesterday's, etc. local ($sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst) = localtime; if (open (FILE, ">>$count_file")) { print FILE $wday; close (FILE); } Gary From perlman Tue Aug 31 09:12:11 1999 Received: (from perlman@localhost) by turing.acm.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA07039; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:12:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <199908311312.JAA07039@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: http://www.acm.org/sigs/sigcaph/links/ To: perlman@turing.acm.org (Gary PERLMAN) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: support@acm.org, infodir_sigcaph@acm.org In-Reply-To: <199908262255.SAA17171@turing.acm.org> from "Gary PERLMAN" at Aug 26, 99 06:55:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Status: O This page is still not showing up right. I have put in a temporary link to the included file. Gary > The page: > http://www.acm.org/sigs/sigcaph/links/ > looks fine under MSIE 5.0, but with Netscape 4.06, > the server-side includes are not getting expanded. > I have no idea of how SSI could not work depending > on browser, but this seems to be the case. > When I view the source for the page, I see the > unevaluated SSI commands. > > I also do not see the SSI evaluated for Lynx 2.5. > > Can you fix this? > > Gary Perlman, SIGCAPH Link Page Maintainer > > > "View Source" from Netscape follows: > > > > > > ACM SIGCAPH: Links to Internet Resources on Accessibility > > > > > > >

> Links to Accessibility Resources >

> > This page maintained by > > Gary Perlman, > based on Internet records in > > The HCI Bibliography > > > > >
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> > > > > > > From rlang@ai.sri.com Thu Aug 26 14:00:59 1999 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by turing.acm.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA12669 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sunset.AI.SRI.COM (Sunset.AI.SRI.COM [130.107.64.76]) by mail.acm.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23616 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:00:52 -0400 Received: from gregorio by Sunset.AI.SRI.COM (8.9.3/SMI-4.1) id KAA10740 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gregorio (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id KAA18950 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:57:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:57:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199908261757.KAA18950@gregorio> From: Ruth Lang To: perlman@acm.org Subject: http://www.acm.org/sigs/sigcaph/links/ Status: RO Gary, FYI: When I accessed this page on the morning of 8/26, no links were displayed. It showed title, sentence pointing to you, "Last modified," and "Accesses since"; the latter two did not have any data and the remainder of the page was blank. Ruth E. Lang Artificial Intelligence Center rlang@sri.com SRI International, MS EJ221 Office: (650)859-5608 333 Ravenswood Ave. Fax: (650)859-3735 Menlo Park, CA 94025