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From drcohen@ibm.net Tue Jul 15 23:49:08 1997
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It's funny who you might come across web surfing these days. 
Hope you're doing well.

Dan

P.S. Peter Herman lives in Toronto. I don't think he's on the net.

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Dear Gary,

I can't believe how easy it was to find you. I just punched in your name and
you 
were the first option. It's Peter, your old pal in Toronto. This web is
really quite
remarkable. 

It was good talking to you yesterday. A lot of old memories flooded into my
head.
In fact I had to go for surgery immediately afterwards. 

I wonder if you know how Sandy Wiegens is doing (I don't know if I spelled it
right);
I haven't heard from or about him in ages. I always thought he was an asshole
but 
a rather interesting one.

We had an interesting mix of hostility, genius and emotional
deprivation in our highschool. I pride myself in appidomizing all three.  


It's weird going back to Montreal, weird in that the city is 
not evolving. The same buildings have been there for twenty years. It's
almost
like a time capsule of the late seventies. I guess its that thing about
political 
instability. The resident geniuses haven't recognized the economic costs of 
an impending civil war. Let's hope they're as effective in uniform as their
brothers
accross the sea (after Napoleon of course).

I drove by your old house on my last visit and wondered how you were doing.
Somehow I had a strong feeling that you were just fine. 

I was however sorry to hear about old Marinoff. He was a very definite
abusive putz
in his youth but no one deserves a premature demise. 

Anyhow I assume you will have my web address once you receive this. If not
it is PHermanCA@AmericaOnline (I think that's it).

All the best 


Peter









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Dear Gary,

Just saying hello, having discovered your Web page. Very amusing ant stor=
y.
(Are your other publications that funny?)

I am a freelance translator and tech writer (software documentation), not
married, but with two children anyway. Erik is five and a half, and Zo=EB=
 is
two and a half. Their father, Jim Cookson, and I, are also partners in ou=
r
translation business.

I still live in Montreal, but sometimes I have my doubts.

Ros and Guy came to Nova Scotia this summer and stayed overnight at my
mother's house with three of their four children. It was a very nice visi=
t.

Bye now.

Karin


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...and I'm very impressed with your multiple web pages(and credentials).
Photos download quickly so you must know what you are doing. It IS
however a bit funny to come across someone's photo on the web when you
haven't crossed paths in about 25 years. Yes, I look as old as you do -
except my hair is even frizzier.

I am currently studio manager at an advertising agency in downtown
Montreal and have been living and breathing Macintosh technology for
years. In this illogical world, may I pose a logical and moral question?
Is there life after death?  Computer technology has screwed up the
graphic design field. I have been a graphic artist/designer/art
director/print production specialist for 20-odd years and while the
electronic world is very interesting, we have lost sight of the most
important issues: esthetics, good design, typographic quality and the
value of thinking. Clients have shorter and shorter deadlines, and my
biggest challenge is how to manage a 100 meg. document on a slow
machine. We invest tons of money on a monthly basis just to keep up. I
find this extemely frustrating. Plus, when things really go wrong, there
are no great Mac technicians in Montreal (I've tried most of them) so
you can just imagine...

Any advice? (I've thought about opening a Bed & Breakfast - any other
advice?)

Yours truly,
B. Raider

PS: Think you better update the "Derek Lamb husband" section on your
son's home page.

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Never mind Dippy Dog. I could have predicted your advice to switch to
IBM platform (as I've been given the same advice from every other
bohemian not involved with the graphic arts). Let me remind you that all
Windows is, is a mimic of the superior Mac operating system. But we
won't go there. And besides, that doesn't solve the "big picture" for
me. Nor does reading Ms. Patterson's paper which I probably could have
authored myself. But thanks for responding so quickly - even though word
has it that you were in Montreal this weekend.

Mac has approx. 4% of the market these days, mostly for its specialized
use in the graphic arts, and because of its higher price not appealing
to the masses, and of course the heavy duty marketing put forth by Bill
Gates - that dangerous animal. But it is STILL a superior product. What
can I say? Once a Mac Head always a Mac Head.

Although I am not a close friend, I more than know of Janet. We have
been out together a number of times over the last few years, due to a
mutual friend, Tina Girardi (my closest friend) who you more than know
of as well. As far as I know Janet does not use her Mac (or Amiga which
is really dead) for animation. Her animation is still the traditional
cell type drawn by hand (largely). And so technology has not as of yet
intruded on her art form, as it has mine.

Raider Technologies

PS: Dippy Dog was a cartoon character that you developed in grade 7
(Mrs. Fox's class). Haven't you kept any samples?

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Dear Gary

It is I, the Herm in Toronto. What's up? As you can see I have a new Web =
address.=20
America Online was ripping me off.=20

My first book on estate planning was published. The publisher told me =
that people are dying to read it.=20

They liked it so much that they gave me a contract to write a book about =
accounting for small business.=20

These projects are solely to give me legitimacy as a writer. I am in the =
process of writing a memoir about growing up tortured in Montreal and =
trying to survive the riggers of living against a backdrop of =
psychological angst. It makes for some side splitting humor and pathos. =
I hope to be finished it in the early fall, or at least the first draft. =
I heard that F Scott Fitzgerald went through countless drafts in writing =
The Great Gatsby. I don't have the time. I'm starting later than him. I =
may have to forego the Nobel Prize on this one.=20

I was out in BC for the first time the other week. What a gorgeous =
place. I used to think that all the pretty property was in the US. That =
does not appear to be the case. This is really a beautiful country when =
you get to know it. I'm going out to the Maritimes with my girlfriend on =
Sunday. It's "Discover Canada at Forty Two."
Boy, a lot of years have passed. It doesn't seem like that long ago when =
we were acting like intoxicated buffoons in your bedroom.


When I have finished my memoir, and if I am lucky enough to get it =
published I'll send you up a copy.=20

Hope all is well with you

All the best
Peter



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From br@sympatico.ca Wed Dec  3 23:01:11 1997
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I am glad that Dippy Dog saved the Mac that was on your flooded basement
floor but I am shocked that your computer was on the floor altogether.
(mildew, dust, rats etc.) It is true that Mac system 7.5 does have
trouble with file sizes, but hey, nothing is perfect. I've bought OS 8
and will only have time for a clean install sometime before Christmas,
but I have high hopes for it - and it has a pretty groovy interface.
I'll keep you posted.

BR

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Preparation for Parenthood

Preparation for parenthood is not just a matter of reading books and
decorating the nursery.  Here are 12 simple tests for expectant parents
to take to prepare themselves for the real-life experience of being a
mother or father.

1.  Women: to prepare for maternity, put on a dressing gown and stick a
beanbag down the front. Leave it there for 9 months.  After 9 months,
take out 10% of the beans.
Men: to prepare for paternity, go to the local drug store, tip the
contents of your wallet on the counter, and tell the pharmacist to help
himself.  Then go to the supermarket.  Arrange to have your salary paid
directly to their head office.  Go home.  Pick up the paper and read it
for the last time.

2.  Before you finally go ahead and have children, find a couple who are
already parents and berate them about their methods of discipline, lack
o patience, appallingly low tolerance levels, and how they have allowed
their children to run riot.  Suggest ways in which they might improve
their child's sleeping habits, toilet training, table manners and
overall behavior.  Enjoy it - it'll be the last time in your life that
you will have all of the answers.

3.  To discover how the nights feel, walk around the living room from
5pm to 10pm carrying a wet bag weighing approximately 8-12 lbs. At 10pm
put the bag down, set the alarm for midnight, and go to sleep.  Get up
at 12 and walk around the living room again, with the bag, until 1 am. 
Put the alarm on for 3 am.  As you can't get back to sleep, get up at 2
am and make a drink.  Go to bed at 2:45.  Get up again at 3am when the
alarm goes off.  Sing songs in the dark until 4am.  Put the alarm on for
5 am.  Get up.  Make breakfast.  Keep this up for 5 years.  Look
cheerful.

4.  Can you stand the mess children make?  To find out, smear peanut
butter onto the sofa and jam onto the curtains. Hide a fish finger
behind the stereo and leave it there all summer.  Stick your fingers in
the flowerbeds then rub them on the clean walls.  Cover the stains with
crayons.  How does that look?

5.  Dressing small children is not as easy as it seems: first buy an
octopus and a string bag.  Attempt to put the octopus into the string
bag so that none of the arms hang out.  Time allowed for this - all
morning.

6.  Take an egg carton.  Using a pair of scissors and a can of paint,
turn it into an alligator.  Now take a toilet tube.  Using only scotch
tape and a piece of foil, turn it into a Christmas tree.  Last, take a
milk container, a ping pong ball, and an empty packet of Coco puffs and
make an exact replica of the Eiffel Tower.  Congratulsations, you have
just qualified for a place on the playgroup committee.

7.  Forget the Miata and buy a Mini Van.  And don't think you can leave
it out in the driveway spotless and shining.  Family cars don't look
like that.  Buy a chocolate ice cream bar and put it in the glove
compartment.  Leave it there.  Get a quarter.  Stick it in the cassette
player.  Take a family-size packet of chocolate cookies.  Mash them down
the back seats.  Run a garden rake along both sides of the car - There!
Perfect!

8.  Get ready to go out.  Wait outside the toilet for half an hour.  Go
out the front door.  Come in again.  Go out.  Come back in.  Go out
again.  Walk down the front path.  Walk back up it. Walk down it again. 
Walk very slowly down the road for 5 minutes.  Stop to inspect minutely
every cigarette butt, piece of used chewing gum, dirty tissue and dead
insect along the way.  Retrace your steps.  Scream that you've had as
much as you can stand, until the neighbors come out and stare at you. 
Give up and go back in the house.  You are now just about ready to try
taking a small child for a walk.

9.  Always repeat everything you say at leave 5 times.

10.  Go to your local supermarket.  Take with you the nearest thing you
can find to a pre-school child - a fully grown goat is excellent.  If
you intent to have more than one child, take more than one goat.  Buy
your week's groceries without letting the goats out of your sight.  Pay
for everything the goats eat or destroy.  Until you can easily
accomplish this do not even contemplate having children.

11.  Hollow out a melon.  Make a small hole in the side.  Suspend it
from the ceiling and swing it from side to side.  Now get a bown of
soffy Froot Loops and attempt to spoon it into the swaying melon by
pretending to be an airplane.  Continue until half of the Froot Loops
are gone.  Tip the rest into your lap, making sure that a lot of it
falls on the floor.  You are now ready to feed a 12-month old baby.

12.  Learn the names of every character from Barney and Friends, Sesame
Street and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  When you find yourself singing
*I love you, you love me* at work, now!, you finally qualify as a
parent.

From stevenismith@sprint.ca Wed Dec 16 21:52:18 1998
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        "Michelle Mayers" <michele.mayers@sbe.scarborough.on.ca>,
        "Michele Mele" <LTAURO@msn.com>
Subject: Fw: More entertainment
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:52:41 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon & Marilyn Shank <gmhShank@compuserve.com>
To: Joanie Smith <stevenismith@sprint.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 4:16 PM
Subject: More entertainment




-------------Forwarded Message-----------------

From: Gordon & Marilyn Shank, 
To: Mark Surchin, INTERNET:SurchinM@tor.gpv.com

Date: 12/15/98  6:03 AM

RE: MORE DEEP THOUGHTS

Ok...here's another one. There is some humour here.
>
>1. Don't sweat the petty things & don't pet the sweaty things.
>2. One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor
>3. If man evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?
>4. Santa is very jolly because he knows where all the bad girls live
>5. I went to a book store and asked the saleswoman where the
>    self-help section was.  She said if she told me it would defeat the
>    purpose.
>6. Should creamatoriums give discounts to burn victims?
>7. If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?
>8. And whose cruel idea was it to put an "S" in the word "Lisp"
>9. If a man stands in the middle of the forest speaking and there
>    is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
>10. If someone with multiple personalities threatens suicide, is it
>      considered a hostage situation?
>11. Is there another word for synonym?
>12. Isn't it scary that doctors call what they do "practice"
>13. Where do forest rangers go to get away from it all?
>14. What should you do if you see an endangered animal eating an
>      endangered plant?
>15. If a parsley farmer is sued, do they garnish his wages?
>16. Would a wingless fly be called a walk?
>17. Why do they lock gas stations bathrooms?  Are they afraid
>      someone will break in and clean them?
>18. Is a shelless turtle homeless or just naked?
>19. Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?
>20. If a mime is arrested do they tell him he has the right to talk?
>21. Why do they put Braille on the drive thru bank machines?
>22. Why do they use sterile needles for lethal injections?
>23. Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets.
>24. Is it true that cannibals won't eat clown because they taste funny?
>25. What was the best thing BEFORE sliced bread?
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon & Marilyn Shank <gmhShank@compuserve.com>
To: Joanie Smith <stevenismith@sprint.ca>
Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 8:41 AM
Subject: Recovery Laughter


Hi there. Hope the surgery went well and you are feeling ok. I will try to
call you at some point over the next couple of days to see how you are.  In
the meantime, I leave you with these small "sound bytes" to bring a smile
to your face!

Marilyn



Subject:        Israeli Personnals

                     Actual personal ads which appeared in Israeli papers

Yeshiva bochur, Torah scholar, long beard, payos. Seeks same  in woman.
Desperately seeking schmoozing! Retired senior citizen, 70+,  desires
female
companion for kvetching, kvelling, and krechtzing.  Under 30 is OK.

Attractive Jewish woman, 35,+ college graduate, seeks  successful Jewish
Prince Charming to get me out of my  parents' house.

Divorced Jewish man seeks partner to attend shul with, light  Shabbos
candles, celebrate holidays, build Sukkah together,  attend brisses,bar
mitzvahs. Religion not important.

Nice Jewish guy, 38. No skeletons. No baggage. No personality.

Female graduate student, studying kaballah, Zohar, exorcism  of dybbuks,
seeks mensch. No weirdos, please.

Staunch Jewish feminist, wears tzitzis, seeking male who will >> accept my
independence, although you probably will not.  Oh,  just forget it.

Jewish businessman, 49, manufactures Sabbath candles, Chanukah  candles.
havdalah candles, Yahrzeit candles. Seeks non-smoker.

Israeli professor, 41, with 18 years of teaching in my behind.
Looking for American-born woman who speaks English very good.

Couch potato latke, in search of the right applesauce. Let's  try it for
eight days. Who knows?

80-year-old bubbie, no assets, seeks handsome, virile Jewish  male under
35.
Object: matrimony. I can dream, can't I?

I am a sensitive Jewish prince whom you can open your heart  to. Share
your
innermost thoughts and deepest secrets. Confide  in me. I'll understand
your
insecurities. No fatties, please.

Jewish male, 34, very successful, smart, independent,  self-made. Looking
for
girl whose father will hire me. 
<



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Thanks for installing the page.
I now see how the other 1973 person's bio
was so grammatically bad.
You asked for a bio,
which I wrote in the first person,
but which you wanted written in the third person.
Your conversion missed some agreements,
for example, "he moved to New Jersey, ...
where he met MY future wife."

The same sort of problems are in Bobbie Steinberg's.

This is annoying and makes us look stupid.

Please either use the text below,
it is written in the first person
by the author, as I think it should be,
or at least fix the grammatical agreement
("his future wife"), and fix the typo
which you inserted:
	"He now works at oclc.org, an
	Internet based information systems."
corrected:
	"He now works at oclc.org on
	Internet based information systems."

If you have any requirements for the writing,
I suggest you make them with the request,
and then include the entries without editing.
This removes the responsibility from you
and allows us to make ourselves look stupid
on our own.

If you prefer to continue editing the bios,
you should add a note to that effect.
	"-- Re-written by Darryl Levine"
The grammar problems make it look like we
should not have graduated from high school. ;-P

Gary

> Gary Perlman
> 
> I avoided CEGEP at the University of Rochester,
> after which I got a Ph.D. in cognitive psychology at UC San Diego.
> My first real job was at Bell Labs in Murray Hill, New Jersey.
> Where I met my future wife in 1982.  Since then I've moved
> between academic and R&D positions in computer science and
> interactive software development, focusing on making
> software more usable by people.
> 
> I now work in R&D at oclc.org on Internet based information systems.
> I live in Columbus, Ohio with my wife Caroline Palmer
> (a professor in Psychology at OSU) and our two boys, Mark 6 (Pokemaniac),
> and George 3 (Teletubbaddict).
> 
> Living in: Columbus, Ohio, USA
> E-mail: perlman@acm.org
> Home page: http://www.acm.org/~perlman
> Last updated: December 1999
> 
> 
> > Hello!
> > 
> > My name is Darryl Levine. I'm putting together a Web site for Wagar Alumni
> > and I was sent your name by Bobbie Steinberg.
> > 
> > I'd been happy to include your brief bio in our 1973 section. Please visit
> > us at http://wagar.web.com for more info.
> > 
> > All the best,
> > 
> > Darryl Levine
> > Wagar High School Class of '91
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


From perlman Sun Apr  2 23:53:53 2000
Subject: Re: It's tougher to find you no a days
To: pherman@www.thehermanfile.com (pherman)
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Hi Peter,

Every year I feel hollow at this time of year.
Sid Marinoff's birthday was on March 24th.
Some time in the 1970's, after he left Wagar,
I lost touch with him.  At that time, his
mother was divorced (Sid's father died in his
sleep when he was 11 or 12), and his brother,
whom he idolized, was home on heavy psych
drugs in a deep depression.  I met with Sid
in Ottawa and Montreal around 1980, and he was
a follower of the Guru Maharaj Ji, or something
like that.  His philosophy seemed so fanatical
yet shallow I had no idea what to say.  Some years
later, I heard second or third hand that Sid had
killed himself, under what circumstances I don't know.
That was shortly after my father killed himself,
and I wondered for years what I could have done.

I happened to find out something about Sid's brother,
Lou(is), who tried and failed college a few times,
apparently falling into some bad psychological state
each attempt.  First, he was the world champion
table hockey player (okay, maybe only Canada)
for a few years.  He moved from being a great club guitarist
to a classical guitarist.  He got his PhD at some
point is is a practitioner of Philosophical Counselling:
	http://members.aol.com/timlebon/philcouns.htm
and published:
	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006019328X
and has a more fun page than most:
	http://marinoff.home.mindspring.com/
Note the MP3 clips.
So it's nice to see Lou doing well.  Given his field,
I wonder about his take on Sid, but I don't want to
discuss it with him or others who cared, especially since
I think that Lou's problems so heavily affected Sid.

Have you been to:
	http://wagar.web.com/

Gary

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Gary,

I'm sorry you feel sad about the past. The one good thing about it is that
it isn't the present. Although we can all think back to sad moments or
events, we have a choice to move forward and concentrate on things that make
us happy.

I unfortunately have not learned to do that. Just kidding.

I am currently going through my mid life crisis that followed the early life
crisis and should come just before the late life crisis. I see that you
might be experiencing the same.

I was very fortunate in enlisting the aid of an excellent shrink a few years
ago who helped me make sense of my feelings so that I don't have to feel
victimized by them. The only trauma I haven't recovered from is the
thrashing you gave me in chess.

As for your dad and Marinoff, there was nothing you could do. They probably
both needed therapy, and could only make the choice to deal with their
issues on their on. Ultimately, at some point, we must all take
responsiblity for our own lives, Unfortunately for me, I still insist on
blaming my mother for everything.

All the best.

By the way, when are you coming to TO.

Peter xx

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>Hi Peter,
>
>Every year I feel hollow at this time of year.
>Sid Marinoff's birthday was on March 24th.
>Some time in the 1970's, after he left Wagar,
>I lost touch with him.  At that time, his
>mother was divorced (Sid's father died in his
>sleep when he was 11 or 12), and his brother,
>whom he idolized, was home on heavy psych
>drugs in a deep depression.  I met with Sid
>in Ottawa and Montreal around 1980, and he was
>a follower of the Guru Maharaj Ji, or something
>like that.  His philosophy seemed so fanatical
>yet shallow I had no idea what to say.  Some years
>later, I heard second or third hand that Sid had
>killed himself, under what circumstances I don't know.
>That was shortly after my father killed himself,
>and I wondered for years what I could have done.
>
>I happened to find out something about Sid's brother,
>Lou(is), who tried and failed college a few times,
>apparently falling into some bad psychological state
>each attempt.  First, he was the world champion
>table hockey player (okay, maybe only Canada)
>for a few years.  He moved from being a great club guitarist
>to a classical guitarist.  He got his PhD at some
>point is is a practitioner of Philosophical Counselling:
> http://members.aol.com/timlebon/philcouns.htm
>and published:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006019328X
>and has a more fun page than most:
> http://marinoff.home.mindspring.com/
>Note the MP3 clips.
>So it's nice to see Lou doing well.  Given his field,
>I wonder about his take on Sid, but I don't want to
>discuss it with him or others who cared, especially since
>I think that Lou's problems so heavily affected Sid.
>
>Have you been to:
> http://wagar.web.com/
>
>Gary


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Hi Gary,

Thank you for responding. I think I remember you. Sort of. My Wagar days are a
bit of haze.

I will have a look what you are doing in a few days. Other than the people I
have met through my work with WAIEOWG, I know very few people who work on web
accessibility... at least, not too many people from my distant past.

Ya, ya, I know my site fails Bobby, but Bobby is fallible. My site IS fully
screen reader accessible, including the image, which is alt-tagged. I have
gotten lazy about coding the site. I used to hand code in HTML, but now I let
my text editor do what it will, and only deal in html directly when the
converter totally screws up.

Alan

Alan Cantor
Cantor + Associates
Workplace Accommodation Consultants
acantor@interlog.com
www.interlog.com/~acantor

>Hello from Wagar @ 1973,
>
>Saw your web page.  Good work!  Nice to see someone with a calling.
>
>Coincidentally, I am somewhat involved in implementing WAI
>and related stuff for oclc.org, and I maintain a link page
>for SIGCAPH (acm.org/sigcaph), the disability SIG for acm.org.
>        http://www.acm.org/sigcaph/links/
>
>Well, the Wagar 1973 page is up to 4, not surprisingly, with
>people who are already on the Web, or working with it.
>I hope to see more.
>
>If more people respond, I wonder if I should scan in the
>Prelude to save people the trouble fo finding that yellow tome.
>
>Gary Perlman
>
>PS: Your home page fails the Boby test of WAI guidelines
>because the image does not have any alt text.  See:
>        http://www.cast.org/bobby/


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Would love to see you on your home turf. Not going to bend your ear about the
wonderful world of advertising. It's boring, even to me. And talk about a
trade that will not make the history books! At least your trade is a bit
more, shall we say, intellectual. Mine can be, but the clients do not allow
it.

Perhaps we'll "visit" in August.

BR


Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> A low profile advertising director?  Funny, except for the stress part.
> I wonder how many people are overworked, overstressed, and overextended.
> I actually have dropped down to 40 hours of work a week, from a peak
> of around 80.  Kids had a lot to do with that, but also the feeling that
> unless I would be a Nobel Lauriate, or something like that, my existence
> would not make a difference to the world's knowledge (and I've known
> since I was 15 that I was not going to be a Nobel Lauriate).  So why
> burn out?  I guess I will not be the next star motivational speaker.
>
> We get to Montreal twice a year now.  We see Janet and our Mom.
> Our next trip will be in August.  Maybe we'll get together!
>
> Gary


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Thanks for thinking of me, but due to the fact that I keep a low
profile, I will not be posting an entry about my life...and I do not
want SuZan Stadner to find me. She may give me a motivational speech.

Hope all is well with you. I am an overpaid art director in advertising,
with so much stress on my head that I feel like applying for a job at
McDonald's flipping burgers. If you're ever in town (Montreal) give me a
ring. Maybe we can walk down memory lane, about dippy dog.

BR


Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> http://wagar.web.com/
>
> I saw an entry from Susan Stadner.
>
> Maybe you'll add one.
>
> Gary


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Dear Gary:

Good to hear from you. Hope all is well with you and your family.

>From time to time I check in on the Wagar Web Site (I'll eventually
submit my bio) to see what our alumni have been up to for the past 27
years.

It's interesting to see what others have been up to. I vaguely remember
Susan Stadner, but was surprised at the path her life has taken and that
she has ended up in LA as a motivational speaker on local cable access.
(I'm not certain if that is a good thing).

I was also surprised to find out that Peter re-married. E-mailed him my
congratulations, but have not yet got a reply. I am curious about his
memoir of growing up in a tortured family in Cote St. Luc. From my
experience, he was not alone.

Best regards.

Dan

Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> http://wagar.web.com/
>
> Peter seems to be newly married again.
>
> Gary
>
> > It's funny who you might come across web surfing these days.
> > Hope you're doing well.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > P.S. Peter Herman lives in Toronto. I don't think he's on the net.
> >


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Is this the correct E- mail address?
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http://www.geocities.com/wagar91



NEW WAGAR WEB ADDRESS & MORE



You may have noticed that the Wagar website is undergoing a facelift. =
But the changes are more than just cosmetic.=20

1) The new site is designed to help you navigate much more quickly =
between alumni years. Instead of accessing a page with a list of years, =
you can now use a convienient drop-down menu item which lets go anywhere =
on the site instantly from anywhere else on the site. You'll also be =
able to search from any page on the site too.

2) The other major change is in our new URL or web address. STARTING =
NEXT WEEK, you'll be able to find us at:
www.WagarAlumni.com


BUT UNTIL THEN, please continue to visit us at:
www.geocities.com/wagar91


(DO NOT use the Wagar.web.com address anymore.)



The website is still being renovated. About half the job is now done. We =
hope you continue to visit every week to see who else has joined our =
online community.

All the best.

- Darryl Levine
Class of 1991
WagarAlumni@yahoo.com






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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D3>You may have noticed that the Wagar =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3><FONT face=3DTahoma><STRONG>1) </STRONG>The new site =
is designed=20
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years.=20
Instead of accessing a page with a list of years, you can now use a =
convienient=20
drop-down menu item which lets go anywhere on the site instantly from =
anywhere=20
else on the site. You'll also be able to search from any page on the =
site=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D3>All the best.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D3>- Darryl Levine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D3>Class of 1991</FONT></DIV>
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Hi again. Okay, the site was acting weird today (that's what you get for
using free space at Yahoo!)

Anyway, I think it should also be fine now.

Regards,

Darryl


----- Original Message -----
From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: Wagar Alumni <WagarAlumni@yahoo.com>
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> Now I get a directory listing for wagar.web.com.  No front page.
> And 1973 is still empty.
>
> Gary Perlman


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We are finally set up with a new e-mail address:  smith1958@home.com

Keep those cards and letters coming!

Joanie

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Hi Steven and Joanie,

First, I must apologize for being such a bad communicator.
Life has been very hectic for months, and I still have
not sent a holiday letter to you that has been sitting
around for months.  First I find your card with the great
picture of your kids, and I have lost the letter, then
the opposite, then I forget it altogether. Pathetic.

The past month has been even more busy and I am just
back in town gettting ready to go to ... Toronto!
I'll be giving a couple of talks on April 19,
both in the UofT area.
	http://www.kmdi.org/events.htm
	http://www.torchi.org/calendar_of_events.html#Apr01
While in Toronto, I'd love to drop in. Consistent with
my business, I have not yet reserved my flights,
so I'll probably come in on Thursday morning
and leave on Friday or Saturday, depending on
who I can arrange to meet.  If it is convenient,
I could stay with you, or come by some time
on Friday.

Let's assume that I do not have your new address,
which is not all that new, and your phone number.
Please send it, although I'll probably be in Toronto
before any mail would get there.

Despite my being frazzled, things are great.
Mark is 7 and George is 4 and both are going great.
Caroline is fine, too.

Gary (at least I think it's me)

On Sat, 20 May 2000, Steven Smith wrote:

> We are finally set up with a new e-mail address:  smith1958@home.com
> 
> Keep those cards and letters coming!
> 
> Joanie
> 

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-- READ, ACT, AND SEND THIS TO FIVE OTHERS!! --


ELI KOULAKIS, 73, lives in the town of Beaconsfield, Quebec. She was born in
Montreal, the daughter of Greek immigrants. She spoke English her whole
life, went to school in English, writes, reads, works, and dreams in
English.

But because her mother spoke to her in Greek 70 years ago, the Government of
Quebec says she can't be counted as English-speaking when deciding if a town
should be ALLOWED to serve people in English.

JOSSI RABINSKY, 82, came to Montreal with his parents when he was
three-years-old. He grew up near Park Avenue and eventually raised a family
of his own in Cote St. Luc. He paid his taxes, went to school in English,
and lived his entire life speaking English.

But because his parents spoke Russian to him at home  - 80 years ago - the
government REFUSES to count him as English-speaking.

There are thousands more from our communities who have the same
story. They lived their life primarily in English but now the government
won't count them as English-speaking.

STATISTICS
Over 1 million people in Quebec speak English as their preferred official
language. But only 650,000 were spoken to by their parents in English when
they were kids. And it's this difference in numbers - some 350,000 - that
the government is trying to deny are English-speaking so that they can
reduce English-language services in Quebec.

How?

You probably know that the government passed a law to merge towns and cities
on the Island of Montreal (Bill 170). This forced merger will erase -
forever - towns founded and built by English-speaking Quebecers. The new
mega-city will have a French majority and, therefore, according to Quebec
law with be a unilingual French city.

No bilingual street signs. No bilingual fire departments. No bilingual
parking tickets.

The government says they will create bilingual "burroughs." But these
burrough won't have any real powers. The people who will serve in these
burroughs (police, judges, fire fighters, clerks, etc.) won't be require to
speak English because they are hired by the mega city - NOT the "blingual"
burrough.)


HOW THIS COMPARES TO ONTARIO
If Montreal was part of Ontario, this wouldn't be an issue. Ontario forces
towns with at least 10 percent French-speaking resident to AUTOMATICALLY
provide bilingual services. In Quebec, a town has to be 50 percent
non-francophone to be able to request English-language services. It is
ILLEGAL for a town to provide ANY English-language services unless 50
percent of the residents are non-francophone!

But even THESE obstacles aren't good enough for the Quebec government. It
gets worse!

While everyone was distracted with the mergers law (Bill 170), the
government quietly passed another law making it even more difficult to get
bilingual services (Bill 171). It is not enough for a town to be 50
non-francophone. The new law now says that we have to be 50 percent
"mother-tongue English".

That means that those 350,000 English-speaking people like Eli Koulakis and
Jossi Rabinsky won't count because their parents spoke another language to
them at home when they were kids.


(Almost done. Please read on.)


IT'S TIME TO ACT
The Quebec government has made its intention clear. First they prevent
immigrants from attending our schools. Hundreds of our school closed
forever. Then they intimidated our local store with language inspectors.
Many were fed up and moved away. And now they want to erase the only level
of government that we control. They want to remove our bilingual street
signs.

The government has made us feel unwelcome in our own province. Now they want
us to feel unwelcome in our own towns.

We can prevent them from doing it. But we need everyone's help. Please help.
Write to your local federal Member of Parliament and ask them to help our
towns in court. As you may know, our towns are challenging these laws in
court. The federal government has the power to become an "intervener", which
basically means they will join our towns in saying this law violates the
Constitution because it will strip our minority community of our
institutions.

Please, write to your federal Member of Parliament today and write to the
Minister of Justice. Time is running out. Please do it today before it is
too late!




[Example]

Hon. Anne McLellan
Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
House of Commons
Parliament Buildings
Ottawa, ON   K1A 0A6

Dear Minister:

As you may know, a group of municipalities on the Island of Montreal is
before the courts arguing that Quebec Bill 170 (to forced mergers
legislation) is unconstitutional because it attempts to abolish institutions
of the English-speaking community.

We ask that the Government of Canada intervene in the case - as was done in
the Montfort Hospital case in Ontario - to help our community preserve our
basic institutions.

Sincerely,

Your Name




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From: Sandy Weigens <weigens@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Wagar High School
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Okay, okay. So this qualifies as spam, unsolicited
e-mail. 
So wag a finger at me. 
In person. 
At a 30th anniversary reunion of the Class of 1973
(egad!) that is going to take place sometime in 2003
(I already did the math). It's way early in the
planning stages; not much to report yet, but lots to
do. 
The way I see it, the first stuff to tackle, in no
particular order, is:
1) Spread the word. Tell as many Wagar people from our
year as possible. I placed a notice at
wagaralumni.com. I am also going to spring for a
membership at Classmates.com, so keep an eye there for
more. I shall also send notices to the community
listings at radio/TV stations and newspapers
in many cities. And I welcome any other suggestions.
But ultimately, your word-of-mouth is essential. Talk
it up with everyone!
2) Collect contact information. I have started a
database of names, addresses, etc. I already have your
names and e-mail addresses. (If you wish to keep your
privacy, I'll lose it and not bother you again. No
more spam.) Please help me out by sending me more
details such as your phone numbers, mailing address,
etc. And please send me the same information about
anyone you know from our year at Wagar. Brief bio’s
and anecdotes are also welcome.

Please use and pass on my coordinates, and feel free
to contact me with any information, leads, questions,
bad jokes, etc.

E-mail:         Weigens@yahoo.ca
Phone:          (514) 696-4550
Mail:           93 Viking Place, Dollard des Ormeaux,
Quebec H9G 2M5.

3) If you can offer any time and a little bit of
energy, that would be fabulous. The upside is we'd get
together way before everyone else at the reunion!
 
Once we have a solid base of names and addresses, we
can begin to look at the where, when, what and how.
Although I’m sending this message to only a handful of
people, I am hopeful that the list will grow rapidly. 

This reunion is going to be GREAT! And I can’t wait to
see you all.

Sandy Weigens

P.S. - In touch so far: 40 people and counting!

_______________________________________________________
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This reunion thing, so far, has been a lot of fun. I think that it will
continue to be so. Although the idea has been rattling around my mind for
years (ever since a badly publicized and poorly organized attempt at a
reunion fell flat into abject failure), it was a video that Marlene showed
me of a West Hill reunion that she organized that got me going on this.
 
As you can see, I took your advice and created a Yahoo group. But, as you
might have read in my notice to you, I'm on the horns of a dilemma. The
primary goal in this project is the event itself. The process leading up to
it has really nice spin-offs, such as rediscovering old friends, that old
stroll down memory lane, trying to remember particularly good buzzes in the
barracks, etc. I am afraid that if there is a forum available, even to just
a core of people, to hang around and reminisce, it might bleed off some
momentum and take away from or even mortally wound the reunion proper. On
the other hand, such a forum, if populated, would be fun and interesting. On
the other other hand, would it ever have existed if not for the planning of
the reunion? Personally, I'd be just as happy to play go-between, collecting
addresses and generating messages, posting news, etc., directly, myself, and
not run the risk of a fizzled anniversary. I know that sounds rather
controlling. But I hope that it retains some focus. What do you think?
 
The pic of yourself that you posted is great! Speaking of which, it was nice
to see your kids in those shots taken in the Townships. Unfortunately, you
send them roughly at the time that my uncle in Ottawa was in final stages of
cancer. I had been rather distracted, and not especially e-mail responsive.
 
Daddyhood seems to become you. If you are having anywhere near the
fun/experiences at it as I have, you know that it just keeps getting better.
 
I'm writing this from my office. The e-mail address that I posted to the
Wagar folks is specifically for that purpose. And, of course, you know my
address at home. So many addresses, so little time...
 
See you soon?
Sandy
 
Sandy Weigens
Applications Specialist/Trainer - Specialist en logiciels/Formateur
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4><SPAN class=170354612-12102001>This reunion 
thing, so far, has been a lot of fun. I think that it will continue to be so. 
Although the idea has been rattling around my mind for years (ever since a badly 
publicized and poorly organized&nbsp;attempt at a reunion&nbsp;fell flat into 
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4><SPAN 
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4><SPAN class=170354612-12102001>As you can see, I 
took your advice and created a Yahoo group. But, as you might have&nbsp;read in 
my notice to you, I'm on the horns of a dilemma. The primary goal in this 
project is the event itself. The process leading up to it has really nice 
spin-offs, such as rediscovering old friends, that old stroll down memory lane, 
trying to remember particularly good buzzes in the barracks, etc. I am afraid 
that if there is a forum available, even to just a core of people, to hang 
around and reminisce, it might bleed off some momentum and take away from or 
even mortally wound the reunion proper. On the other hand, such a forum, if 
populated, would be fun and interesting. On the other other hand, would it ever 
have existed if not for the planning of the reunion? Personally, I'd be just as 
happy to play go-between, collecting addresses and generating messages, posting 
news, etc., directly, myself, and not run the risk of a fizzled anniversary. I 
know that sounds rather controlling. But I hope that it retains some focus. What 
do you think?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4><SPAN 
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4><SPAN class=170354612-12102001>The pic of 
yourself that you posted is great! Speaking of which, it was nice to see 
your&nbsp;kids in those shots taken in the Townships. Unfortunately, you send 
them roughly at&nbsp;the time that my uncle in Ottawa was in final stages of 
cancer. I had been rather distracted, and not especially e-mail 
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=4><SPAN class=170354612-12102001>Daddyhood seems 
to become you. If you are having anywhere near the fun/experiences at it as I 
have, you know that it just keeps getting better.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=170354612-12102001><FONT face=Garamond size=4>I'm writing this 
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specifically for that purpose. And, of course, you know my address at home. So 
many addresses, so little time...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=170354612-12102001><FONT face=Garamond 
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<DIV><SPAN class=170354612-12102001><FONT face=Garamond size=4>See you 
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Damn. Ironically, I guess 'retarded' would be an appropriate word to
describe how well I keep in touch with you. I am ashamed.
Marlene Eisner is my girlfriend. I met her in the Ice Storm of January '98
on a blind date set up by Janice Gerson (remember her?). We hit is off, and
ultimately, she and her two daughters moved in with me. More accurately, in
June 99, I moved acrss the street from 88 Viking to 93 Viking, renovated the
basement for my boys' bedrooms, and was joined by Marlene and her girls.
After a couple of years in Dollard, she confirms that she hates living in
the 'burbs (she moved from Grosvenor Avenue near Queen Mary). Aside from
that, we're quite happy, the bathrooms are always messy and the dog always
has company. Marlene's daughters are Michelle (15) and Amy (12). Good fit
with my Jeremy (18) and Sasha (15). The girls go to school at Royal Vale
High, which occupies the former West Hill H.S. building. It means a schlep
for Marlene every morning and afternoon, which is part of why she doesnt
like living on the West Island.

Jeremy is in 2nd year at John Abbott College (CEGEP) in science. (This is
the first semester in years that I am not teaching there; needed the break)
He is leaning toward medicine, but is also enjoying English. He's the
drummer in a band that started to get locally popular this summer. They
entered the CHOM-FM L'Ésprit comptetiton, and were one in four groups that
made it to the finals from among 140 entrants. They've been playing clubs
all summer. Talk about living vicariously through one's kids!

I must run. Much more catching up to dot, though.

Fmeh,
Sandy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary PERLMAN [mailto:perlman@turing.acm.org]
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 01 4:42 PM
> To: Weigens, Sandy
> Subject: Re: Wgar and More
> 
> 
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Weigens, Sandy wrote:
> 
> > This reunion thing, so far, has been a lot of fun. I think 
> that it will
> > continue to be so. Although the idea has been rattling 
> around my mind for
> > years (ever since a badly publicized and poorly organized 
> attempt at a
> > reunion fell flat into abject failure), it was a video that 
> Marlene showed
> > me of a West Hill reunion that she organized that got me 
> going on this.
> 
> Who's Marlene?
> 
> > As you can see, I took your advice and created a Yahoo 
> group. But, as you
> > might have read in my notice to you, I'm on the horns of a 
> dilemma. The
> > primary goal in this project is the event itself. The 
> process leading up to
> > it has really nice spin-offs, such as rediscovering old 
> friends, that old
> > stroll down memory lane, trying to remember particularly 
> good buzzes in the
> > barracks, etc. I am afraid that if there is a forum 
> available, even to just
> > a core of people, to hang around and reminisce, it might 
> bleed off some
> > momentum and take away from or even mortally wound the 
> reunion proper. On
> > the other hand, such a forum, if populated, would be fun 
> and interesting. On
> > the other other hand, would it ever have existed if not for 
> the planning of
> > the reunion? Personally, I'd be just as happy to play 
> go-between, collecting
> > addresses and generating messages, posting news, etc., 
> directly, myself, and
> > not run the risk of a fizzled anniversary. I know that sounds rather
> > controlling. But I hope that it retains some focus. What do 
> you think?
> 
> I don't know.  The wagar.web.com site got me back in touch 
> with Peter Herman
> who I saw when I was giving a couple of talks in Toronto (I 
> stayed with Smith).
> Personally, I put more weight on keeping up than on a big 
> event like a reunion.
> Of the people I'd like to see, a reunion might attract a 
> small percentage,
> and like many gathering, not give me the time I'd like to catch up.
> 
> > The pic of yourself that you posted is great! Speaking of 
> which, it was nice
> > to see your kids in those shots taken in the Townships. 
> Unfortunately, you
> > send them roughly at the time that my uncle in Ottawa was 
> in final stages of
> > cancer. I had been rather distracted, and not especially 
> e-mail responsive.
> 
> Sorry to hear that.  I understand.
> 
> > Daddyhood seems to become you. If you are having anywhere near the
> > fun/experiences at it as I have, you know that it just 
> keeps getting better.
> 
> It's fun and rewarding.  I sometimes try to apply what I learned
> watching you and your kids year ago.  Strategies like preparing
> George for what will happen during a new event sometimes work.
> I am certainly never bored! It's tiring though, especially over 40.
> 
> > I'm writing this from my office. The e-mail address that I 
> posted to the
> > Wagar folks is specifically for that purpose. And, of 
> course, you know my
> > address at home. So many addresses, so little time...
> 
> I think I had you at 80 Viking.  Not right?
> 
> > See you soon?
> > Sandy
> 
> We will probably be there in December.
> 
> > Sandy Weigens
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Hi Gary,

It doesn't look like it will work out for this trip.  We actually make a
detour through  Columbus so it doesn't make sense to go that way.  Meeting
for dinner would probably be too late given the time that we will be setting
out from Toronto and probably too difficult to coordinate in terms of
meeting you at a specific time and place although it does sound like a nice
idea.  As for the trip back, I think we will be anxious to get home so it
would not be a good idea to plan for a stop.  I think we will just be
pressing on and will stop whenever we have had enough.

Oh well!
Maybe next time!

Take care and regards to Carolyn and the boys.
Joanie
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> Hi Joanie,
>
> I'm sorry I didn't answer your email.  I'm completely disorganized.
> The 20th is a school night, so I'm afraid it would be very distruptive.
> The 21st is a Friday, so that would be okay.  I don't know how we ended
> up with school so late, but we will be off the first week of January,
> so that time might work.  I don't know how far out of the way Columbus
> is for you on the 20th, but I'd be happy to meet you for dinner.
>
> It was great to have you here.  Hope to see you soon.  Maybe we'll
> make it to Toronto!
>
> Best to all,
>
> Gary
>
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Joanie and Steven Smith wrote:
>
> > Hi Gary!
> >
> > Did you get my last e-mail?
> >
> > I was thanking you for a lovely visit and dinner and also wanted to
confirm if it would be okay to come again for an overnight visit on the
20th.  We wouldn't arrrive until later (7or 8) in the evening as we will be
leaving around 1 or 2 and then can leave whatever time you need to leave in
the morning.  if that doesnt fit with your schedule, we can make it another
time, next year for instance!  Anyway, let me know as it may affect our
reservations in Orlando and I may need to change them.
> >
> > Hope all is well,
> > Joanie
> >
>

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Hi Gary!

Did you get my last e-mail?

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Hope all is well,
Joanie

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As of Nov.22nd our e-mail address will change to smith1958@rogers.com.

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Hi Gary!

Many thanks for a delicious dinner on Sat.  What a good cook you are!  =
It was fun to see everyone.  Your boys are very cute!  (Not to mention =
how smart they are!!)

Let me know how you feel about us staying over on the 20th of Dec.  We =
probably wouldn't get there until 7 or 8 pm  and then leave first thing =
in the morning since you have to go to work and school.  If this would =
be totally disruptive to your schedule, we can certainly make =
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still be in school since ours aren't.  Nonetheless, whatever suits you, =
suits us!

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I have no idea why I’m doing this other then someone had to step up to the
plate and see if anyone really wants to see this happens and given that I’ve
spent a good part of the last 30 years organizing every event you can
imagine (except an Olympic Games) at least I’ll see if there’s interest. So
here’s what I’ve done and am prepared to do.

-          I took the email address from the alumni site. I know there are
plenty more out there that we can find but I’ll use this group to determine
if there’s any real interest in a reunion. So please answer the few
questions I’ll ask and then we’ll see once and for all, and yes if there’s
enough interest I’ll take a leadership role (a course I’m teaching at a
college) and get this done.


-          Are you interested in attending a reunion of the class of 1973
-          Would you attend the reunion Thanksgiving Day weekend this year
(October 11 or 12) or a holiday weekend in 2004
-          Would you prefer that the reunion be held in Montreal, Ottawa or
Toronto…or you can suggest another city by all means
-          Are you interested in a weekend affair, or something as simple as
getting together at a restaurant one evening, or an evening somewhere in
between a simple and more formal affair
-          Would you be prepared to help

Five simple questions and again I’m prepared to take a role in setting this
up. I’ll throw this at each of you for consideration. So much has happened
to each and every one of us in the last 30 years, but so many great things
happened 30 years ago. Ask yourself this, what would you do to go back in
time and have a chance to capture lightening in a bottle one last time. Many
of us haven’t seen each other in 30-years, it strikes me as sad to go
through life never having seen the people you grew up with, the people you
went to high school with.

I’ll wait until August 25 to hear back from you. I’m heading on the road
with Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band for two weeks, starting on
August 27, and I’ll send another email to all of you again. Think about it
capturing Time in a Bottle.

Howard Bloom
Class of 1973

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see if anyone
really wants to see this happens and given that I&#8217;ve spent a good =
part of the
last 30 years organizing every event you can imagine (except an Olympic =
Games)
at least I&#8217;ll see if there&#8217;s interest. So here&#8217;s what =
I&#8217;ve done and am prepared
to do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2 =
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I&#8217;ll take a leadership
role (a course I&#8217;m teaching at a college) and get this =
done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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class=3DEmailStyle15><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Are
you interested in attending a reunion of the class of =
1973<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Would
you attend the reunion Thanksgiving Day weekend this year (October 11 or =
12) or
a holiday weekend in 2004<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Would
you prefer that the reunion be held in Montreal, Ottawa or =
Toronto&#8230;or you can
suggest another city by all means<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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class=3DEmailStyle15><font
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you interested in a weekend affair, or something as simple as getting =
together
at a restaurant one evening, or an evening somewhere in between a simple =
and
more formal affair<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><![if !supportLists]><span
class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-ascii-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<font =
size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></font></span><![endif]><span =
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Would
you be prepared to help<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Five
simple questions and again I&#8217;m prepared to take a role in setting =
this up. I&#8217;ll
throw this at each of you for consideration. So much has happened to =
each and every
one of us in the last 30 years, but so many great things happened 30 =
years ago.
Ask yourself this, what would you do to go back in time and have a =
chance to
capture lightening in a bottle one last time. Many of us haven&#8217;t =
seen each
other in 30-years, it strikes me as sad to go through life never having =
seen
the people you grew up with, the people you went to high school =
with.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><span =
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size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I&#8217;ll
wait until August 25 to hear back from you. I&#8217;m heading on the =
road with Bruce
Springsteen and the E Street Band for two weeks, starting on August 27, =
and I&#8217;ll
send another email to all of you again. Think about it capturing Time in =
a
Bottle.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Howard
Bloom<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-align:justify'><span =
class=3DEmailStyle15><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Class
of 1973<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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Dear Gary,
Hello from Cairo, and thanks for this.
I haven't forgotten about your request.
I'll e-mail you some photos when I get
back on April 12, and will send the text
by April 22 as promised.
Best, Lou

Quoting Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>:

> Dear Lou,
>
> We are getting fewer pictures for our reunion, but I did get one from
> Sid's second grade class. Here is a list of places Sid appears:
>
> Grade 2:
> http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/1964-westminster-11.html
> Grade 7: http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/grade7-27fox.html
> Grade 8: http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/1970-1e1.html
> Grade 9: http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/1971-council.html
> Grade 10: http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/1972-4207.html
>
> In the last one, he's not too easily identified.
>
> If you have pictures, I'd like to add them to the site.
> We are gathering people, places and things related to our class.
> When the site is done, we will make CDs and remove it from the Web.
>
> I'm getting hopeful that we will get over 100 classmates to come.
>
> Gary
>
>

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Table Hockey
The Movie

Meet some guys who care ... a lot.

Triad Films, 2004
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Directed by Thor Henrickson

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Dear Gary,

Thanks so much for this. I'd love to borrow your
original VHS tape, which I could digitize in NY.
With a DVD, I have enough connections to make
a serious attempt to realize my vision for the
game, sport and industry.

I'd also love to hear your chess story about Sid, 
and maybe some other stories too. We could also
have cake at my mother's place. She'd love to see
you again.

Your relation to the Ettingers makes this a 
ridiculously small world

I'll be in Montreal in the weekend of Feb 6-8.
Could we get together then?

Best wishes, Lou

p.s. Try waxing with Pledge and elbow grease.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie)


> Well, that was interesting, at least for me.
> I'm no movie critic, but I could not figure out
> why there were scenes with your mom (who looked
> great, by the way, and I miss her chocolate cake)
> or you playing guitar with the WTC in the background,
> but I enjoyed both.  The movie reminded me of Hoop
> Dreams in several ways: the dream, the pride, the
> support.
>    I wondered, "why not professional table
> hockey" and then wondered, besides the country
> clubs, the TV contracts, and millions of fans,
> what's the difference between golf and frisbee golf?
> between tennis and table tennis?  The leagues reminded
> me of the chess tournaments my sons play in: much
> larger than I would have expected. In 8th grade, Sid
> lost the Wagar chess championship to me in a tournament
> that infuriated him.  It's a good story.
>    I noticed that you mom goes by Tafler.
> My fifth grade teacher at Westminster was
> a relative, Miss Tafler.  We did not dare utter --
> and usually did not know -- teacher's first names
> in those days.
>    I found your play the champ (chump?) story:
> http://www.loumarinoff.com/table_hockey_na_upstart.htm
> Michael Ettinger is my cousin.  Small world.
>    In the 70s I had Bobby Orr hockey, by Coleco,
> I think.  I just ordered a Stiga table.  I don't
> know if it will have the easy action my old table
> had, but at my level, it probably will not matter.
> What should I be waxing it with?
>    I have a tape of the movie, in case you want it.
> It's just VHS, and just an analog broadcast, but you
> are welcome to it.
> 
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Lou Marinoff wrote:
> 
> >  
> > Table Hockey
> > The Movie
> > 
> > Meet some guys who care ... a lot.
> > 
> > Triad Films, 2004
> > Produced by Peter d'Entrement
> > Directed by Thor Henrickson
> > 
> > Airing January 25, 2004,
> > 1:00 p.m. on CTV
> > 
> > TableHockey-TheMovie.html 
> > 
> 
> 

From marinoff@frontiernet.net  Tue Feb 17 09:52:36 2004
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Dear Gary,

Thanks for your e-mail. I'll be happy (not exactly the
right word, as you understand) to write a few paragraphs
about Sid's life and legacy. I'll also bundle some photos.
Please give me a few days, and I'll e-mail you a draft.
Thanks for asking, and best wishes with your reuinon.

Regards, Lou

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:54 PM
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> Hi Lou,
> 
> A group of us are planning a Wagar reunion for the class of 73.
> We plan to pay our respects for those classmates no longer
> with us, and since I had no contact with Sid in his final years,
> I thought I would ask you to write a few paragraphs on his
> life and legacy.  Several people have been shocked by the
> news about Sid and uniformly remembered his intellect.
> 
> Our efforts are on Yahoo groups:
> http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/wagar73/
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 

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From: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
To: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
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Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie) -> Wagar (the reunion)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:58:26 -0500
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Dear Gary,

Thanks for this great photo. I will treasure it.

What's your copy deadline please? And how
many words? That's how I work these days.

Good luck with LCC. If he passed the test,
he should get a shot. Keep me posted about that.

Best, Lou

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie) -> Wagar (the reunion)


> Dear Lou,
> 
> I haven't received anything, and this being Sid's birthday,
> I thought of him.  Here is a Grade 7 class picture with Sid.
> http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/grade7-27fox.jpg.html
> 
> Gary
> 
> PS: We are trying to get our older son into LCC.  Not any slots
> going into 6th grade at this time, but he passe their admission
> and our fingers are crossed.
> 
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Lou Marinoff wrote:
> 
> > Dear Gary,
> > 
> > Thanks for your e-mail. I'll be happy (not exactly the
> > right word, as you understand) to write a few paragraphs
> > about Sid's life and legacy. I'll also bundle some photos.
> > Please give me a few days, and I'll e-mail you a draft.
> > Thanks for asking, and best wishes with your reuinon.
> > 
> > Regards, Lou
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
> > To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie) -> Wagar (the reunion)
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Lou,
> > > 
> > > A group of us are planning a Wagar reunion for the class of 73.
> > > We plan to pay our respects for those classmates no longer
> > > with us, and since I had no contact with Sid in his final years,
> > > I thought I would ask you to write a few paragraphs on his
> > > life and legacy.  Several people have been shocked by the
> > > news about Sid and uniformly remembered his intellect.
> > > 
> > > Our efforts are on Yahoo groups:
> > > http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/wagar73/
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 

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To: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
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OK Gary, will do. Lou

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie) -> Wagar (the reunion)


> Dear Lou,
> 
> The reunion is May 22 and I think we will need to freeze
> our memorybook about a month before that.  How about April
> 22?  Something between 250 and 1000 words seems about right.
> 
> Best, Gary
> 
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Lou Marinoff wrote:
> 
> > Dear Gary,
> > 
> > Thanks for this great photo. I will treasure it.
> > 
> > What's your copy deadline please? And how
> > many words? That's how I work these days.
> > 
> > Good luck with LCC. If he passed the test,
> > he should get a shot. Keep me posted about that.
> > 
> > Best, Lou
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
> > To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie) -> Wagar (the reunion)
> > 
> > 
> > > Dear Lou,
> > > 
> > > I haven't received anything, and this being Sid's birthday,
> > > I thought of him.  Here is a Grade 7 class picture with Sid.
> > > http://www.acm.org/perlman/wagar/html/grade7-27fox.jpg.html
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > > 
> > > PS: We are trying to get our older son into LCC.  Not any slots
> > > going into 6th grade at this time, but he passe their admission
> > > and our fingers are crossed.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Lou Marinoff wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Dear Gary,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your e-mail. I'll be happy (not exactly the
> > > > right word, as you understand) to write a few paragraphs
> > > > about Sid's life and legacy. I'll also bundle some photos.
> > > > Please give me a few days, and I'll e-mail you a draft.
> > > > Thanks for asking, and best wishes with your reuinon.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, Lou
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Gary PERLMAN" <perlman@turing.acm.org>
> > > > To: "Lou Marinoff" <marinoff@frontiernet.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Table Hockey (the movie) -> Wagar (the reunion)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi Lou,
> > > > > 
> > > > > A group of us are planning a Wagar reunion for the class of 73.
> > > > > We plan to pay our respects for those classmates no longer
> > > > > with us, and since I had no contact with Sid in his final years,
> > > > > I thought I would ask you to write a few paragraphs on his
> > > > > life and legacy.  Several people have been shocked by the
> > > > > news about Sid and uniformly remembered his intellect.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Our efforts are on Yahoo groups:
> > > > > http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/wagar73/
> > > > > 
> > > > > Gary
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 

